"Thank you for your service" [barf]

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military, knock
yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the government
perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and no one
has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than the guy
loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is "serving."
No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military. You were doing a
job, that's all.

Leper

2020-11-13 05:50:37 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and no
one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than the
guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military. You
were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you trot your scrawny smelly little ass down to the bar
at the local VFW or American legion and inform them of this. Also
explain your draft dodging during the Vietnam war. Tell them that your
battle flag is brilliant yellow. Same color as the stripe on your back.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-13 06:27:23 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and no
one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than the
guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military. You
were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Scout

2020-11-13 12:17:38 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and no
one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than the
guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military. You
were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Let's send you on a 9 month carrier deployment and see if your tune doesn't
change.

Oh, and no US carrier has ever completed a deployment without lose of life.

Leper

2020-11-14 04:11:45 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more
than the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home
Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the
military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Let's send you on a 9 month carrier deployment and see if your tune
doesn't change.
Oh, and no US carrier has ever completed a deployment without lose of life.

I do not want that little SOB on any of our Navy ships. Some Sailor
would toss his useless ass overboard and pollute the Ocean.

Byker

2020-11-14 19:34:25 UTC

Post by Scout
Let's send you on a 9 month carrier deployment and see if your tune
doesn't change.

I must admit I've heard a lot of ex-Navy guys say, "I don't
want to see another paint scraper for the rest of my life!"

David Hartung

2020-11-13 14:14:32 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than
the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military.
You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes
- is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear, idiot.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-13 15:50:14 UTC

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 08:14:32 -0600, David Hartung

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than
the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military.
You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes
- is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear, idiot.

Whenever Rudy says, "This is settled," he knows he's wrong and is
lacing up his running-away shoes.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-13 16:28:36 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and no
one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than the
guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military. You
were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot (and
passengers) safe?

It's not "service" — it's a job.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-13 19:42:32 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and no
one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than the
guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military. You
were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

[Desperate now, Rudy erects his straw man in an impotent attempt to
hide from his own idiocy.]

Post by Rudy Canoza
What about commercial aircraft?

We're talking about military service, dwarf.

You have no idea how stupid you look.

Byker

2020-11-13 23:14:16 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and no one
has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than the guy
loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is "serving."
No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military. You were doing a
job, that's all.

Would you have said that to these guys?:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/06/17/10-hollywood-tough-guys-who-studied-gi-bill.html

Rudy Crayola

2020-11-14 04:18:47 UTC

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/06/17/10-hollywood-tough-guys-who-studied-gi-bill.html

Don't forget Elvis Presley.. ;-)

David Hartung

2020-11-13 23:10:43 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the
military, knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer
to help the government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more
than the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home
Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the
military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot (and
passengers) safe?

Commercial aircraft aren't expected to fly into harms way, and
commercial maintenance people aren't expected to function if under fire,
military aircraft, crews, and maintenance people are. Furthermore those
people are expected to sacrifice their lives in service to the nation if
that it what it takes.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-13 23:17:20 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than
the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military.
You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes
- is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot (and
passengers) safe?

Commercial aircraft aren't expected to fly into harms [sic] way, and

An air force pilot returning to base is not in harm's way. Put an
apostrophe between the 'm' and the 's' when writing "harm's way."

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 00:12:39 UTC

Commercial aircraft aren't expected to fly into harms [sic] way, and

An air force pilot returning to base is not in harm's way.

Only an idiot would make this claim.

Are you actually stupid enough to think that the Germans stopped
shooting at B-17's after they dropped their bombs and headed for home?

Really, Rudy? Is THAT how fucking stupid you are?

"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
-Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

Scout

2020-11-14 14:26:21 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more
than the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home
Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the
military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot (and
passengers) safe?

Commercial aircraft aren't expected to fly into harms [sic] way, and

An air force pilot returning to base is not in harm's way. Put an
apostrophe between the 'm' and the 's' when writing "harm's way."

What was that thing you just said to me?

Oh, that's right, 'This is bullshit, of course, and rudy could not possibly
be in a
position to know such.'

Well, I can't really say what the statistics are for the air force I can say
definitively that our carrier did have flight crew die due to their service
to our country.

Indeed, I know of one pilot on the Roosevelt who died when his F-18 was lost
returning to the carrier after a combat mission. He was listed as KIA.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:22:47 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the
military, knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer
to help the government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more
than the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home
Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the
military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot
(and passengers) safe?

Commercial aircraft aren't expected to fly into harms [sic] way, and

An air force pilot returning to base is not in harm's way. Put an
apostrophe between the 'm' and the 's' when writing "harm's way."

What was that thing you just said to me?
Oh, that's right, 'This is bullshit, of course, and rudy could not possibly
be in a position to know such.'

That's not what I wrote, scooter. This is what I wrote:

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

Why did you change "scooter" to "Rudy," scooter? And why did you omit the
end of what I wrote, scooter? Was it ethical for you to do that, scooter?

Post by Scout
Well, I can't really say what the statistics are for the air force I can
say definitively that our carrier did have flight crew die due to their
service [sic] to our country.

It wasn't "'service' to our country," scooter.

Your claims, scooter:

"*No* US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life."
"there is *ALWAYS* a section on those who died during the cruise."

False, scooter. Your first lie is categorically false, scooter, because I
found carrier cruise books that did not have an "in memoriam" section.
Your second statement /may/ be true, scooter, but only if someone actually
*died* during the cruise, and you haven't shown that someone "always" dies
during every deployment, scooter, and you *cannot* show that.

You are such a simpleton, scooter.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 17:36:49 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
Was it ethical for you to do that, scooter?

Oh look! Our resident dwarf is worried about "ethics" now.

"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
-Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

George

2020-11-14 19:21:55 UTC

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:36:49 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Was it ethical for you to do that, scooter?

Oh look! Our resident dwarf is worried about "ethics" now.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
-Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

Its sort of sad watching it squirm, prevaricate, quote from its
ignorance just to look as if it has some merit.
In the end you enlist in the military either as a volunteer or under
some compulsory scheme to protect your country and do whatever it is
that is required of you.
Whether it is as a cook or a telegraphist, a mechanic or the squaddie
picking up rubbish on the parade ground or the Admiral of the Fleet
you're all serving your country.

Now piss off and let us get back to our dits

--
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Scout

2020-11-14 14:01:07 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and no
one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than the
guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military.
You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot (and
passengers) safe?
It's not "service" — it's a job.

A job were he can simply run away if it becomes dangerous......in the
military you may be doing the job under fire and it still has to be done.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 16:26:02 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than
the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military.
You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes
- is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot (and
passengers) safe?
It's not "service" — it's a job.

A job were he can simply run away if it becomes dangerous......in the
military you may be doing the job under fire and it still has to be done.

It isn't "service" to a higher, more noble cause, scooter. This is settled.

David Hartung

2020-11-14 16:38:13 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the
military, knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer
to help the government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason,
and no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any
more than the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at
Home Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time
in the military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot
(and passengers) safe?
It's not "service" — it's a job.

A job were he can simply run away if it becomes dangerous......in the
military you may be doing the job under fire and it still has to be done.

It isn't "service" to a higher, more noble cause, scooter. This is
settled.

To stand in the defense of one's country is by definition service to a
higher cause.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:53:11 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the
military, knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer
to help the government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more
than the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home
Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the
military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot
(and passengers) safe?
It's not "service" — it's a job.

A job were he can simply run away if it becomes dangerous......in the
military you may be doing the job under fire and it still has to be done.

It isn't "service" to a higher, more noble cause, scooter. This is
settled.

To stand in the defense of one's country is by definition

Whose definition is that?

Post by David Hartung
service to a higher cause.

No.

People with military jobs are not standing in defense of the country, anyway.

Anyway, you just said that Cuban soldiers fighting at the Bay of Pigs were
serving a higher cause. You just said that Iraqi soldiers who fought U.S.
troops invading Iraq were serving a higher cause.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 18:12:00 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
Whose definition is that?

"Only losers - that is, illiterates - resort to dictionaries. "
-Rudy Canoza, 6/14/2017

I'm right about that. If you're educated, you don't need
dictionaries.
-Rudy Canoza
-Message-ID: <4RhlH.350732$***@fx34.iad>

Mitchell Holman

2020-11-14 19:00:18 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the
military, knock yourself out. But all they've done is
volunteer to help the government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason,
and no one has any reason to thank you.Â You didn't "serve"
any more than the guy loading manure into the back of your
minivan at Home Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms"
to your time in the military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country.Â This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft?Â Should you thank the Delta
Airlines landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping
the pilot (and passengers) safe?
It's not "service" â it's a job.

A job were he can simply run away if it becomes dangerous......in
the military you may be doing the job under fire and it still has to
be done.

It isn't "service" to a higher, more noble cause, scooter.Â Â This
is settled.

To stand in the defense of one's country is by definition service to a
higher cause.

Such was part of the oath that Kamikazi pilots took, IIRC

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 19:06:45 UTC

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 13:00:18 -0600, Mitchell Holman

Post by Mitchell Holman

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the
military, knock yourself out. But all they've done is
volunteer to help the government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason,
and no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve"
any more than the guy loading manure into the back of your
minivan at Home Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms"
to your time in the military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta
Airlines landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping
the pilot (and passengers) safe?
It's not "service" — it's a job.

A job were he can simply run away if it becomes dangerous......in
the military you may be doing the job under fire and it still has to
be done.

It isn't "service" to a higher, more noble cause, scooter. This
is settled.

To stand in the defense of one's country is by definition service to a
higher cause.

Such was part of the oath that Kamikazi pilots took, IIRC

Once chosen, the Kamikaze pilots were made to accept a 5 point oath:
1) A soldier must make loyalty his obligation, 2) A soldier must make
propriety his way of life, 3) A soldier must highly esteem military
valor, 4) A soldier must have a high regard for righteousness, and 5)
A soldier must live a simple life
https://academic.mu.edu/meissnerd/erickson.html

Byker

2020-11-15 00:35:51 UTC

Once chosen, the Kamikaze pilots were made to accept a 5 point oath: 1) A
soldier must make loyalty his obligation, 2) A soldier must make propriety
his way of life, 3) A soldier must highly esteem military valor, 4) A
soldier must have a high regard for righteousness, and 5) A soldier must
live a simple life https://academic.mu.edu/meissnerd/erickson.html

Do asslifters have to go through all that hassle?

Nice condensation cloud at 1:58:

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 19:38:44 UTC

Post by Mitchell Holman

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the
military, knock yourself out. But all they've done is
volunteer to help the government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason,
and no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve"
any more than the guy loading manure into the back of your
minivan at Home Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms"
to your time in the military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta
Airlines landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping
the pilot (and passengers) safe?
It's not "service" — it's a job.

A job were he can simply run away if it becomes dangerous......in
the military you may be doing the job under fire and it still has to
be done.

It isn't "service" to a higher, more noble cause, scooter. This
is settled.

To stand in the defense of one's country is by definition service to a
higher cause.

Such was part of the oath that Kamikazi pilots took, IIRC

Sometimes defending one's country is a far *lower* cause. You shouldn't do
it. North Korean soldiers are serving an immoral, low cause.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 17:37:54 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
This is settled.

Whenever Rudy uses the words "...this is settled..." it's short
hand for the following....

"You have kicked my ass. An impression from your Boot of Knowledge is
something my buttocks will carry for months. I want to leave this
conversation now, as it is useless for me to try to convince you with
my weak, factless arguments.

"As a last, desperate measure, I will warm up my sock puppets and tell
you that (a) I know more than you, (b) the subject we're 'discussing'
has been decided at some mysterious, previous point in time, and I
was right then, and (c) I will next forge the quoted post and tell you
that you agree with me.

"At this point, I will release my sock puppets into the wild, where
they will agree that I am the smartest person who ever drew the Breath
of Life. They will sing my praises. They will also agree with whatever
I've said, without a single fact or cite.

"If you persist in presenting undeniable facts that prove me wrong, I
will alter the posts even more and pretend you are a small child so I
can feel superior to you. There is another reason I like to pretend
you are small child, but I don't want to get into that now. Suffice to
say, I can type with one hand almost as fast as I can with two."

Scout

2020-11-16 13:33:46 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more
than the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home
Depot is "serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the
military. You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Tell that to the pilot who depends on that landing gear,

What about commercial aircraft? Should you thank the Delta Airlines
landing gear bearing greaser for his "service" in keeping the pilot (and
passengers) safe?
It's not "service" — it's a job.

A job were he can simply run away if it becomes dangerous......in the
military you may be doing the job under fire and it still has to be done.

It isn't "service" to a higher, more noble cause, scooter.

Actually it is.

Post by Rudy Canoza
This is settled.

Why do you always say this when you're losing?

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-13 14:32:20 UTC

Post by Leper
I recommend that you trot your scrawny smelly little ass down to the bar
at the local VFW or American legion and inform them of this. Also
explain your draft dodging during the Vietnam war. Tell them that your
battle flag is brilliant yellow. Same color as the stripe on your back.

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Rudy's problem (well, ONE of his problems) is that he can't use a
dictionary so he has no idea what "service" actually means.

He thinks that unless you actually bayoneted a Nazi in the heat of
battle, you weren't "serving" your country.

He's too stupid to understand that

(a) someone had to supply the soldier with a rifle and bayonet
(b) someone had to feed and clothe the soldier
(c) someone had to transport the soldier
(d) someone had to furnish and take care of all the equipment the
soldier uses
(e) someone had to decide where the Nazis were that needed a bayonet
in their guts
(f) someone had to train the soldier how to bayonet the Nazi
(g) and, yes, someone had to grease the bearings of the landing gear
on the airplane that carried the men and the equipment to where they
needed to be.

THIS is what's "settled."

Rudy never had to think of these things, since he was too short to go
into the service even if called upon. So he can pretend to be tough
when, in fact, if he was ever handed that bayonet, he would have
soaked his DCU's in urine, just like he's soaking his jammies right
now.

Here are some examples of Rudy pretending to be "tough."

"You know I would demolish you in a fistfight."
-Rudy, in a final, desperate attempt to salvage his pride
after being pummeled senseless.
-Message-ID: <EfFpB.31818$***@fx44.iad>

"I'm a few years beyond retirement age"
-Rudy, 4/19/2020

Post by Rudy Canoza
What's next- a fist fight challenge"

Sure, why not? Meet me at the Jolly Kone hamburger shack in
Bakersfield. I've dispatched a couple of other Usenet loudmouth fat
fucks in the parking lot there. I know the proprietor. If it appears
you've already suffered your stroke, I'll only use one hand to flatten
you.
-Rudy, explaining his fantasy "fist-fight" victories.
-Message-ID: <U3SuB.25861$***@fx18.iad>

"You still haven't recovered from the ass-kicking I gave you at the
Jolly Kone, have you? <chuckle>"
-Rudy Canoza to doctor postalman, 11/18/2017, referring to
another imaginary "fist fight"
-Message-ID: <hr%PB.10409$***@fx41.iad>

"I tell you what. I'm about eight inches shorter than Shitbag [6' 2"]
Trump, and at least 80 pounds lighter,
and I would *love* to take the fat fuck on in a fistfight. He gets to
pick the *public* venue and the referee."
-5' 6" Rudy, declaring his wish to fist-fight the President
of the United States, by posting on Usenet.

Post by Leper
Trumpchev is such a vile bit of filth.

Why don't you challenge him to a fist fight?

I already have. It's legal, too. I even said he gets to pick the
referee and judges - not that they'll really have anything to do.
-A desperate Rudy, trying to claim his previous message was
where he "challenged President Trump to a fist fight."

Post by Rudy Canoza
You are fit for someone to slam a fist into your florid fat face.

-Rudy, losing another argument.
-Message-ID: <kB73D.209647$***@fx27.iad>

I would gladly pay $2,000 for the privilege of beating your fucking
face to a pulp in person.
-Rudy, losing again
-Message-ID: <ire3D.198667$***@fx15.iad>

...kleine klauschen, a cunt whom I *have* beat up with my bare
hands...
- Rudy, dreaming
-Message-ID: <fewfF.255710$***@fx08.iad>

"Rudy Canoza beat the living fuck out of me in the parking lot at
Jolly Kone burgers."
-Rudy, with another pathetic, impotent forgery
-Message-ID: <Rr5nF.88475$***@fx33.iad>

"On 10/23/2019 3:02 PM, kleine klausche, a runt punk whom I have
flattened, ineptly forged"
- Another desperate fantasy from Rudy.:

"I'd like to see some political violence aimed at *you*, you rancid
cunt."
-Rudy losing another argument.
-Message-ID: <KJC2F.238959$***@fx34.iad>

"I can kick your ass, and you know it. You're old, small, infirm and
weak - a fucking speck of dust."
-Another impotent boast from Usenet's Favorite Dwarf, Rudy
Canoza
-Message-ID: <lXqlG.35799$***@fx07.iad>

"I'm bigger than you and I can kick your ass."
-School-girl sized Rudy, puffing his chest out as far as it
will go.
-Message-ID: <KhFlG.47294$***@fx04.iad>

Fuck off and die, and give me your fucking address so I can come help
you do it.
-Our favorite dwarf, Rudy Canoza, coming out from under the
couch to bark.
-Message-ID: <oIGlG.2165$***@fx24.iad>

No, you fucking lying midget whom I could flatten with *both* hands
tied behind my back
-Rudy Canoza, attempting to destroy everyone's irony meter by
calling someone else a "midget."
-Message-ID: <AcjoG.152881$***@fx46.iad>

Fuck you and fuck every Hartung, and I hope you're all beaten to
death.
-Rudy losing another discussion
-Message-ID: <rf7116$16bu$***@neodome.net>

Read it and *weep*, Schild, you squat-to-piss fairy whom I can - and
*will* - strangle with my bare hands:
-Rudy, displaying his impotent rage and gynaphobia in one
sentence
Message-ID: <rgngn8$1fa3$***@neodome.net>

Your kind need to be marginalized, preferably exterminated.
-Message-ID: <vz%fH.342246$***@fx36.iad>

Scout

2020-11-13 15:46:14 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and killed
for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines engaged in
fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time, any place and with
little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any moment.

As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.

A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any amount up
to and including their life.

Interesting Factiod. No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without
loss of life. So yea, that guy greasing the wheel bearings on the carrier
may well die in the service of their country.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Rudy never had to think of these things, since he was too short to go
into the service even if called upon. So he can pretend to be tough
when, in fact, if he was ever handed that bayonet, he would have
soaked his DCU's in urine, just like he's soaking his jammies right
now.
Here are some examples of Rudy pretending to be "tough."
"You know I would demolish you in a fistfight."
-Rudy, in a final, desperate attempt to salvage his pride
after being pummeled senseless.
"I'm a few years beyond retirement age"
-Rudy, 4/19/2020

Post by Rudy Canoza
What's next- a fist fight challenge"

Sure, why not? Meet me at the Jolly Kone hamburger shack in
Bakersfield. I've dispatched a couple of other Usenet loudmouth fat
fucks in the parking lot there. I know the proprietor. If it appears
you've already suffered your stroke, I'll only use one hand to flatten
you.
-Rudy, explaining his fantasy "fist-fight" victories.
"You still haven't recovered from the ass-kicking I gave you at the
Jolly Kone, have you? <chuckle>"
-Rudy Canoza to doctor postalman, 11/18/2017, referring to
another imaginary "fist fight"
"I tell you what. I'm about eight inches shorter than Shitbag [6' 2"]
Trump, and at least 80 pounds lighter,
and I would *love* to take the fat fuck on in a fistfight. He gets to
pick the *public* venue and the referee."
-5' 6" Rudy, declaring his wish to fist-fight the President
of the United States, by posting on Usenet.

Post by Leper
Trumpchev is such a vile bit of filth.

Why don't you challenge him to a fist fight?

Post by Rudy Canoza
You are fit for someone to slam a fist into your florid fat face.

-Rudy, losing another argument.
I would gladly pay $2,000 for the privilege of beating your fucking
face to a pulp in person.
-Rudy, losing again
...kleine klauschen, a cunt whom I *have* beat up with my bare
hands...
- Rudy, dreaming
"Rudy Canoza beat the living fuck out of me in the parking lot at
Jolly Kone burgers."
-Rudy, with another pathetic, impotent forgery
"On 10/23/2019 3:02 PM, kleine klausche, a runt punk whom I have
flattened, ineptly forged"
"I'd like to see some political violence aimed at *you*, you rancid
cunt."
-Rudy losing another argument.
"I can kick your ass, and you know it. You're old, small, infirm and
weak - a fucking speck of dust."
-Another impotent boast from Usenet's Favorite Dwarf, Rudy
Canoza
"I'm bigger than you and I can kick your ass."
-School-girl sized Rudy, puffing his chest out as far as it
will go.
Fuck off and die, and give me your fucking address so I can come help
you do it.
-Our favorite dwarf, Rudy Canoza, coming out from under the
couch to bark.
No, you fucking lying midget whom I could flatten with *both* hands
tied behind my back
-Rudy Canoza, attempting to destroy everyone's irony meter by
calling someone else a "midget."
Fuck you and fuck every Hartung, and I hope you're all beaten to
death.
-Rudy losing another discussion
Read it and *weep*, Schild, you squat-to-piss fairy whom I can - and
-Rudy, displaying his impotent rage and gynaphobia in one
sentence
Your kind need to be marginalized, preferably exterminated.

David Hartung

2020-11-13 16:20:17 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time, any
place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any amount
up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod. No US carrier has ever completed a deployment
without loss of life. So yea, that guy greasing the wheel bearings on
the carrier may well die in the service of their country.

I don't know what the official plans showed, but it was pretty much
understood by those of us stationed in Germany that had there been a
surprise attack by the East Bloc, we would have been overrun in about
three days, and it mattered not whether one was in combat position, or
in a "remf" position, your life was at risk. On this matter Rudy is an
idiot.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-13 18:28:29 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time, any
place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any amount
up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment
without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

Post by David Hartung
I don't know what the official plans showed, but it was pretty much
understood by those of us stationed in Germany that had there been a
surprise attack by the East Bloc, we would have been overrun in about three
days, and it mattered not whether one was in combat position, or in a
"remf" position, your life was at risk. On this matter Rudy is an idiot.

No, you stupid flatulent incontinent cocksucker. I didn't say that having
a job in the military carries no risk. I said it is not "service" to one's
country. It isn't.

I remember a great line said by some German military leader in the 1980s.
The German army basically let all, or nearly all, of its soldiers go home
on weekends. Some American chicken-little general questioned this, asking
about the risk of the Russians launching a surprise attack on the weekend.
The German military leader said something to the effect of "If the
Russians are going to attack on Saturday, I'll know about it by the
previous Wednesday." He was right, of course.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-13 19:44:36 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time, any
place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any amount
up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment
without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

Rudy's reply is bullshit, of course, since he has never been in a
position to know what Mr. Scout knows.

No, you stupid flatulent incontinent cocksucker. I didn't say that having
a job in the military carries no risk. I said it is not "service" to one's
country. It isn't.

You were wrong then, and now. That's been settled.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
I remember a great line said by some German military leader in the 1980s.
The German army basically let all, or nearly all, of its soldiers go home
on weekends. Some American chicken-little general questioned this, asking
about the risk of the Russians launching a surprise attack on the weekend.
The German military leader said something to the effect of "If the
Russians are going to attack on Saturday, I'll know about it by the
previous Wednesday." He was right, of course.

That's a nice story which has nothing to do with your idiot belief
that military wheel greasers don't "serve."

David Hartung

2020-11-13 23:17:07 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time,
any place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at
any moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any
amount up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

You couldn't possibly know that he is wrong.

Post by David Hartung
I don't know what the official plans showed, but it was pretty much
understood by those of us stationed in Germany that had there been a
surprise attack by the East Bloc, we would have been overrun in about
three days, and it mattered not whether one was in combat position, or
in a "remf" position, your life was at risk. On this matter Rudy is an
idiot.

No, you stupid flatulent incontinent cocksucker. I didn't say that
having a job in the military carries no risk. I said it is not
"service" to one's country. It isn't.

In your opinion, one which is not shared by those who do serve, or have
served in the military.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
I remember a great line said by some German military leader in the
1980s. The German army basically let all, or nearly all, of its soldiers
go home on weekends. Some American chicken-little general questioned
this, asking about the risk of the Russians launching a surprise attack
on the weekend. The German military leader said something to the effect
of "If the Russians are going to attack on Saturday, I'll know about it
by the previous Wednesday." He was right, of course.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the subject.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-13 23:28:08 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time,
any place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any
moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any amount
up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

You couldn't possibly know that he is wrong.

I know that he is not in any position to know what he claims to know.

Post by David Hartung
I don't know what the official plans showed, but it was pretty much
understood by those of us stationed in Germany that had there been a
surprise attack by the East Bloc, we would have been overrun in about
three days, and it mattered not whether one was in combat position, or
in a "remf" position, your life was at risk. On this matter Rudy is an
idiot.

No, you stupid flatulent incontinent cocksucker. I didn't say that
having a job in the military carries no risk. I said it is not "service"
to one's country. It isn't.

In your opinion,

Concession of defeat noted. That's what it always is when you use one of
your lie/tropes.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
I remember a great line said by some German military leader in the 1980s.
The German army basically let all, or nearly all, of its soldiers go home
on weekends. Some American chicken-little general questioned this,
asking about the risk of the Russians launching a surprise attack on the
weekend. The German military leader said something to the effect of "If
the Russians are going to attack on Saturday, I'll know about it by the
previous Wednesday." He was right, of course.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the subject.

False.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 00:15:50 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Post by Scout
Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time,
any place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any
moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any amount
up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

You couldn't possibly know that he is wrong.

I know that he is not in any position to know what he claims to know.

No, you don't know that.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
I remember a great line said by some German military leader in the 1980s.
The German army basically let all, or nearly all, of its soldiers go home
on weekends. Some American chicken-little general questioned this,
asking about the risk of the Russians launching a surprise attack on the
weekend. The German military leader said something to the effect of "If
the Russians are going to attack on Saturday, I'll know about it by the
previous Wednesday." He was right, of course.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the subject.

False.

Rudy KNOWS it has nothing to do with what's being discussed. He's just
desperate to extricate himself from this discussion now. You can tell
by his frenzied vandalism of the follow-ups.

LOL

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 01:09:03 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time,
any place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at
any moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any
amount up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

You couldn't possibly know that he is wrong.

I know that he is not in any position to know what he claims to know.

Actually you do not.

Actually, I do.

Scout

2020-11-14 14:27:25 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time,
any place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any
moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any
amount up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

You couldn't possibly know that he is wrong.

I know that he is not in any position to know what he claims to know.

Ok, please cite how you know that.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:26:04 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time,
any place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at
any moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any
amount up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

You couldn't possibly know that he is wrong.

I know that he is not in any position to know what he claims to know.

Ok, please cite [sic] how you know that.

That should be "say" or "state" or "explain," scooter, not "cite."

I already did in another reply to your childish bullshit, scooter. I found
a site that has links for the cruise books of more than 650 carrier
deployments, scooter. I know for a fact that you have not looked at all
650+ of them, scooter.

I also know for a fact, scooter, that not all of them have an "in memoriam"
section. In the sample of about 15-20 that I looked at, scooter, a little
more than half did *NOT* have such a section, scooter.

Scout

2020-11-14 14:05:32 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time, any
place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any amount
up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

And you are in what position to know otherwise?

But feel free to look through any cruise book out there for a US
carrier.....there is ALWAYS a section on those who died during the cruise.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 16:59:36 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time,
any place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any
moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any amount
up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

And you are in what position to know otherwise?

To know what? That not every deployment of a carrier resulted in loss of
life? Yes, I am in a position to know that.

Post by Scout
But feel free to look through any cruise book out there for a US
carrier.....there is ALWAYS a section on those who died during the cruise.

https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/

First of all, there are well over 650 carrier cruise books at that site,
and I know for an irrefutable fact that you haven't looked at all of them.
My claim stands: you are not in a position to know that every carrier
cruise resulted in loss of life.

But here's where you fucked up big time, scooter. Your claim was absolute:

"*No* US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life."
"there is *ALWAYS* a section on those who died during the cruise."

I only need to find *one* cruise book that doesn't have an "in memoriam"
(or "in memorial" [sic] or "in memory" [sic]) section. The *second* one I
looked at did not have one, scooter. I looked at about 20 of them, and
more than half did not have an "in memoriam" section, scooter.

Here are a few of the ones that do not have an "in memoriam" section, scooter:

https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cvn68-78/index.html
https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv66-77/index.html
https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv64-01/index.html
https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv47-57/index.html
https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv20-68/index.html

You lied, scooter — a really stupid, childish lie.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-15 18:58:52 UTC

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes -
is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Further, every one of those people are subject to being attacked and
killed for their service, they may find themselves on the front lines
engaged in fighting at any time, and conflict can occur at any time,
any place and with little or no warning. They may be reassigned at any
moment.
As Pearl Harbor, Beirut, and the USS Cole would illustrate.
A vet is someone who handed the government a blank check for any
amount up to and including their life.
Interesting Factiod [sic]

Post by Scout
No US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life.

This is bullshit, of course, and scooter could not possibly be in a
position to know such a "factiod." [sic]

And you are in what position to know otherwise?

To know what? That not every deployment of a carrier resulted in loss of
life? Yes, I am in a position to know that.

Post by Scout
But feel free to look through any cruise book out there for a US
carrier.....there is ALWAYS a section on those who died during the cruise.

https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/
First of all, there are well over 650 carrier cruise books at that site,
and I know for an irrefutable fact that you haven't looked at all of them.

Well, scooter?

My claim stands: you are not in a position to know that every carrier
cruise resulted in loss of life.
"*No* US carrier has ever completed a deployment without loss of life."
"there is *ALWAYS* a section on those who died during the cruise."
I only need to find *one* cruise book that doesn't have an "in memoriam"
(or "in memorial" [sic] or "in memory" [sic]) section. The *second* one I
looked at did not have one, scooter. I looked at about 20 of them, and
more than half did not have an "in memoriam" section, scooter.
https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cvn68-78/index.html
https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv66-77/index.html
https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv64-01/index.html
https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv47-57/index.html
https://www.navysite.de/cruisebooks/cv20-68/index.html

Well, scooter? Obviously you lied in saying "*No* US carrier has ever
completed a deployment without loss of life," and then citing the cruise
books as "proof," because I quickly found several that do *not* have an "in
memoriam" section, which you further claimed there "always" would be if any
sailors lost their lives during the deployment.

You lied, scooter — a really stupid, childish lie.

Well, scooter?

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-15 19:38:25 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
First of all, there are well over 650 carrier cruise books at that site,
and I know for an irrefutable fact that you haven't looked at all of them.

Well, scooter?

Yep. He's right.

George

2020-11-13 19:07:22 UTC

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.
No greased bearings planes dont fly trucks dont run and so on.
Try not to be a dweeb theres a ""fellow

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2020-11-13 19:20:07 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country than
a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-13 19:45:10 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't.

Yeah, it is, This is now settled, Rudy.

Vincent

2020-11-14 04:24:11 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

I can understand your denigrating those that have committed themselves
to the better good of the nation while you have obviously been a
complete failure at all that you have attempted....Which of course was
not very much. Such jealousy is only one factor in your may flaws.
I suggest that you put a "Suicide Hotline" on speed dial. Don't do
anything foolish. You could of course do the right thing and Unsubscribe
from Usenet.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 05:32:11 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

I can understand your denigrating those that have committed themselves to
the better good of the nation

That's not what anyone in the military has done.

Scout

2020-11-14 14:33:16 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

I can understand your denigrating those that have committed themselves to
the better good of the nation

That's not what anyone in the military has done.

Good thing you're wrong, or there wouldn't even be a United States for you
to complain about.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:37:16 UTC

Post by Vincent

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

I can understand your denigrating those that have committed themselves
to the better good of the nation

That's not what anyone in the military has done.

Good thing you're wrong,

I'm not wrong, scooter — I am right.

Ted

2020-11-15 09:22:23 UTC

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:33:16 -0500, "Scout"

Post by Vincent

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

I can understand your denigrating those that have committed

themselves to

Post by Vincent
the better good of the nation

That's not what anyone in the military has done.

Good thing you're wrong,

Only in your warped perversion of reality.

George

2020-11-14 19:09:50 UTC

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:24:11 -0600

Post by Vincent
I can understand your denigrating those that have committed
themselves to the better good of the nation while you have obviously
been a complete failure at all that you have attempted....Which of
course was not very much. Such jealousy is only one factor in your
may flaws. I suggest that you put a "Suicide Hotline" on speed dial.
Don't do anything foolish. You could of course do the right thing and
Unsubscribe from Usenet.

But then if he did that he'd go back to be a nothing nowhere man in
mummies basement.
And he'd have to thick it out there

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2020-11-14 19:11:28 UTC

Post by Vincent

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

I would suggest the right thing for Rudy *would* be to commit suicide.
Right for him, right for anyone else.

Scout

2020-11-14 14:07:55 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country than
a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

I suggest you read an enlistment contract sometime.....

There isn't a civilian company that could employ anyone under the terms the
military has much less have the means to enforced those provisions as the US
military can.

Are you aware than in the military you can be summarily executed for
disobeying an order under certain situations....show me any civilian grocery
store that can do that....

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:00:58 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

Not the point, scooter. It still doesn't mean one is "serving" the
country, scooter. It isn't "service," scooter. This is settled, scooter.

David Hartung

2020-11-14 17:18:02 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

Not the point, scooter. It still doesn't mean one is "serving" the
country, scooter. It isn't "service," scooter. This is settled, scooter.

Rudy you would look a lot more rational if you would just admit that
your position is just an opinion.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 17:39:19 UTC

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:18:02 -0600, David Hartung

Not the point, scooter. It still doesn't mean one is "serving" the
country, scooter. It isn't "service," scooter. This is settled, scooter.

Rudy you would look a lot more rational if you would just admit that
your position is just an opinion.

Rudy imagines he's posting as a service to mankind.

Why is nobody thanking him for his service?

[chuckle]

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:53:40 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

Not the point, scooter. It still doesn't mean one is "serving" the
country, scooter. It isn't "service," scooter. This is settled, scooter.

Rudy you would look a lot more rational if you would just admit that your
position is just an opinion.

Your concession of defeat is noted.

Scout

2020-11-16 13:52:16 UTC

Post by George
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:27:23 -0800

Post by Rudy Canoza
Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on
airplanes - is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Actually if he's in the military it is service to the country.

No, it isn't. It's just a job. It is no more service to the country
than a grocery bagger is "serving" the country.

Not the point, scooter.

It is very much the point.

Post by Rudy Canoza
It still doesn't mean one is "serving" the country, scooter.

It certainly does.

Post by Rudy Canoza
It isn't "service," scooter.

It certainly is.

Post by Rudy Canoza
This is settled, scooter.

What you say, when you know you've lost the argument.

Leper

2020-11-14 04:09:14 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military,
knock yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the
government perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

No one cares that you were in the military for whatever reason, and
no one has any reason to thank you. You didn't "serve" any more than
the guy loading manure into the back of your minivan at Home Depot is
"serving." No one owes his "freedoms" to your time in the military.
You were doing a job, that's all.

I recommend that you

Being in the military - greasing the landing gear bearings on airplanes
- is not "service" to country. This is settled.

Being in the Jolly Cone Parking lot get your ass greased by a Chihuahua
is servicing the Neighbors dog and not the country.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-12 23:16:06 UTC

So if you want to thank someone for their service in the military, knock
yourself out. But all they've done is volunteer to help the government
perpetuate never-ending war.

Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

You had a choice. You volunteered.

Byker

2020-11-13 00:00:53 UTC

Post by Byker
Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

You had a choice. You volunteered.

Yup, and look what I got in exchange, thanks to the G.I. Bill:

No down payment on my house, now paid for (the government guaranteed the
loan).

Four years of FREE MONEY to go to college, which I graduated from without
owing a dime.

How much are you paying for medical insurance? I'm not paying shit, thanks
to the VA.

I saw no sense in throwing my life away in defense of a lost cause as a
moving target in some gook's rice paddy, so I went into the USAF instead.
Besides, Air Force bombs killed more gooks than all the bullets of the Army
and Marines combined...

Just Wondering

2020-11-13 00:29:53 UTC

Post by Byker
Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

You had a choice. You volunteered.

No down payment on my house, now paid for (the government guaranteed the
loan).
Four years of FREE MONEY to go to college, which I graduated from without
owing a dime.
How much are you paying for medical insurance? I'm not paying shit, thanks
to the VA.
I saw no sense in throwing my life away in defense of a lost cause as a
moving target in some gook's rice paddy, so I went into the USAF instead.
Besides, Air Force bombs killed more gooks than all the bullets of the Army
and Marines combined...

I enlisted in the National Guard. Do you know what you needed for G.I.
Bill benefits? Six months of continuous active duty. Do you know how
many people who enlisted in the National Guard got six months of
continuous activity? Almost none. This was not explained to me when I
signed up. I served six years but only got five months continuous
active duty - basic training and MOS training. About the only benefit I
get is about $1,000 to cover funeral expenses when I die - that, and an
honor guard to play taps and fire a nine-gun salute at the grave site.

But Jiffy Lube gave me a free oil change for Veterans Day
yesterday, which was nice.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-13 13:41:58 UTC

Post by Byker
Some of us didn't have much choice: Enlist or be drafted...

You had a choice. You volunteered.

Thanks for so brilliantly illustrating why vets don't need to be
thanked.

Byker

2020-11-13 17:43:01 UTC

It is not necessary to thank a veteran, but if the thanks is sincere, it
is usually appreciated. You might also consider that this practice came
about because as a nation we are embarrassed by the poor treatment of
those who had served in Vietnam, treatment given by you, Holman and those
like you.

And the regarding of Viet Vets as "baby killers" and walking time bombs
continued right up to 9/11, when it suddenly seemed to disappear
overnight...

Bill Flett

2020-11-13 18:23:03 UTC

And the regarding of Viet Vets as "baby killers" and walking time bombs
continued right up to 9/11, when it suddenly seemed to disappear
overnight...

What fucking bullshit.

a425couple

2020-11-14 00:38:07 UTC

And the regarding of Viet Vets as "baby killers" and walking time bombs
continued right up to 9/11, when it suddenly seemed to disappear
overnight...

Perhaps, for those who walked around with a
'chip on their shoulder'. I found that since about
90% of our age group did not serve, that most
people assumed one had not. The subject for
most, just did not come up.

But yes, after 9/11, much higher respect was
given.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 01:07:23 UTC

And the regarding of Viet Vets as "baby killers" and walking time bombs
continued right up to 9/11, when it suddenly seemed to disappear
overnight...

Perhaps, for those who walked around with a
'chip on their shoulder'. I found that since about
90% of our age group did not serve, that most
people assumed one had not. The subject for
most, just did not come up.
But yes, after 9/11, much higher respect was
given.

Unwarranted.

a425couple

2020-11-14 18:06:34 UTC

And the regarding of Viet Vets as "baby killers" and walking time bombs
continued right up to 9/11, when it suddenly seemed to disappear
overnight...

Perhaps, for those who walked around with a
'chip on their shoulder'. I found that since about
90% of our age group did not serve, that most
people assumed one had not. The subject for
most, just did not come up.
But yes, after 9/11, much higher respect was
given.

Unwarranted.

I'm not sure what your cryptic one word answer
really meant, but I probably disagree.

After 9/11 (when over 3,000 American citizens, inside
the USA, were killed by foreigners) the average American
citizen realized that they owed some thanks for
their safety to the American military.
And extra of that respect went because it was
a dangerous job.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 18:13:39 UTC

And the regarding of Viet Vets as "baby killers" and walking time bombs
continued right up to 9/11, when it suddenly seemed to disappear
overnight...

Perhaps, for those who walked around with a
'chip on their shoulder'. I found that since about
90% of our age group did not serve, that most
people assumed one had not. The subject for
most, just did not come up.
But yes, after 9/11, much higher respect was
given.

Unwarranted.

I'm not sure what your cryptic one word answer
really meant, but I probably disagree.
After 9/11 (when over 3,000 American citizens, inside
the USA, were killed by foreigners) the average American
citizen realized that they owed some thanks for
their safety to the American military.

That's really funny: the American military did *not* protect Americans'
safety on 9/11.

Ted

2020-11-15 09:17:38 UTC

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:06:34 -0800, a425couple

It is not necessary to thank a veteran, but if the thanks is sincere, it
is usually appreciated. You might also consider that this

practice came

about because as a nation we are embarrassed by the poor

treatment of

those who had served in Vietnam, treatment given by you,

Holman and

those
like you.

And the regarding of Viet Vets as "baby killers" and walking time bombs
continued right up to 9/11, when it suddenly seemed to disappear
overnight...

Perhaps, for those who walked around with a
'chip on their shoulder'. I found that since about
90% of our age group did not serve, that most
people assumed one had not. The subject for
most, just did not come up.
But yes, after 9/11, much higher respect was
given.

Unwarranted.

I'm not sure what your cryptic one word answer
really meant,

Because you're a tard.

Post by a425couple
but I probably disagree.

Because you're a tard.

Post by a425couple
After 9/11 (when over 3,000 American citizens, inside
the USA, were killed by foreigners) the average American
citizen realized that they owed some thanks for
their safety to the American military.

Yep. The military prevented the ragheads from flying planes into the
WTC. Dumbass.

Bud Frawley

2020-11-15 16:54:14 UTC

It is not necessary to thank a veteran, but if the thanks is >>>>

sincere, it

is usually appreciated. You might also consider that this

practice came

about because as a nation we are embarrassed by the poor

treatment of

those who had served in Vietnam, treatment given by you,

Holman and

those
like you.

And the regarding of Viet Vets as "baby killers" and walking

time bombs

Post by Byker
continued right up to 9/11, when it suddenly seemed to disappear
overnight...

Perhaps, for those who walked around with a
'chip on their shoulder'. I found that since about
90% of our age group did not serve, that most
people assumed one had not. The subject for
most, just did not come up.
But yes, after 9/11, much higher respect was
given.
Unwarranted.

I'm not sure what your cryptic one word answer
really meant,

Because you're a tard.

but I probably disagree.

Because you're a tard.

After 9/11 (when over 3,000 American citizens, inside
the USA, were killed by foreigners) the average American
citizen realized that they owed some thanks for
their safety to the American military.

Yep. The military prevented the ragheads from flying planes into the WTC.
Dumbass.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-13 19:47:36 UTC

[followups vandalism by Nazi shitbag pastor-to-the-KKK repaired]
Hartung has no fucking clue that repairing the vandalism, *including*
posting this notice, takes me less time than it takes Hartung to commit the
vandalism. Too fucking funny!

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully and slavishly replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

Your point?

He was not a brave, valiant soldier risking his life.

Cite.

What he did wasn't
service.

To bad you're too stupid to use a dictionary.

That kind of thing can be, and now probably is, contracted out to
private industry.

The entire military could be contracted out to private industry,
dwarf. But it's not. Your "argument" fails.

[And now, Rudy erects yet another straw man.]

Would you thank a contemporary computer repair tech who
fixes computers used by the military for his "service"?
Fuck, you're stupid.

Speaking stupid, here's another reply by Rudy.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-13 19:57:45 UTC

You *still* have not made the case that their military work is "service" to
the country, while some landscaping contractor mowing the lawn outside the
Pentagon is not "serving" his country.

Yet ANOTHER pathetic, impotent straw man erected by our impotent incel
dwarf, Rudy Canoza.

Know how we can tell?

First they're only 5'4" tall. That's about the height of an average
woman.

Second, the military doesn't cut their own lawns. They hire civilian
landscape contractors.

Third, even if a military employee DID mow the lawn, he's serving his
country.

But Rudy-- who doesn't know how to use a dictionary-- doesn't know
what "Service" means. This is settled.

ANYONE in the military deserve's Rudy's respect. Because-- to a man--
they're all superior to Rudy-- physically and mentally.

Each and every one.

Byker

2020-11-13 23:50:51 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

David Hartung

2020-11-13 23:52:01 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 01:06:49 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

It's not "service" to the country. It is no different in terms of its
value from someone being a pharmacist or a grocery bagger or an automobile
mechanic.

David Hartung

2020-11-14 02:56:50 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974.
All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

It's not "service" to the country. It is no different in terms of its
value from someone being a pharmacist or a grocery bagger or an
automobile mechanic.

Rudy, you don't get it, and you will never get it.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 04:50:18 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

It's not "service" to the country. It is no different in terms of its
value from someone being a pharmacist or a grocery bagger or an
automobile mechanic.

Rudy, you don't get it,

I get it, and you don't, and you never will. Settled.

Having a military job is not "service" to country. Settled.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 10:38:17 UTC

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

It's not "service" to the country.

Yeah it is. This is settled, Rudy.

Scout

2020-11-14 14:31:41 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

It's not "service" to the country. It is no different in terms of its
value from someone being a pharmacist or a grocery bagger or an automobile
mechanic.

Unless you're in the military, can be pulled off of doing that, handed a
rifle and told to get out there and fight, or the base is attacked, or any
of the countless other ways, the enemy kills military personal because they
are military personal.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:36:32 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

It's not "service" to the country. It is no different in terms of its
value from someone being a pharmacist or a grocery bagger or an
automobile mechanic.

*personnel*, you fucking illiterate.

You still have not shown, and *cannot* show, that it is "service." It isn't.

Let's say Scotland succeeds in establishing its independence, has a
socialist revolution, and expropriates Trump's Turnberry golf resort
(actually, the golf resort belonging to the Russian oligarch whose money
Trump laundered to "buy" the course). Trump orders an invasion of Scotland
to get "his" golf course back, and some American military personnel (note
the spelling, scooter) die in the course of the conflict. Did they die
while "serving the country," scooter? No, scooter, they didn't. As is
usually the case, scooter, they would have died in service to some
politician pursuing some private interests that he lies and calls the
nation's interests.

You're stupid, scooter. You know this.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 18:14:51 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
Trump orders an invasion of Scotland
to get "his" golf course back,

Rudy erects another straw man, if only to have someone taller than he
is to talk to.

[chuckle]

David Hartung

2020-11-14 20:28:10 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974.
All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

It's not "service" to the country. It is no different in terms of
its value from someone being a pharmacist or a grocery bagger or an
automobile mechanic.

Unless you're in the military, can be pulled off of doing that, handed
a rifle and told to get out there and fight, or the base is attacked,
or any of the countless other ways, the enemy kills military personal
[sic] because they are military personal [sic].

*personnel*, you fucking illiterate.
You still have not shown, and *cannot* show, that it is "service." It
isn't.
Let's say Scotland succeeds in establishing its independence, has a
socialist revolution, and expropriates Trump's Turnberry golf resort
(actually, the golf resort belonging to the Russian oligarch whose money
Trump laundered to "buy" the course). Trump orders an invasion of
Scotland to get "his" golf course back, and some American military
personnel (note the spelling, scooter) die in the course of the
conflict. Did they die while "serving the country," scooter? No,
scooter, they didn't. As is usually the case, scooter, they would have
died in service to some politician pursuing some private interests that
he lies and calls the nation's interests.
You're stupid, scooter. You know this.

You need to come up with a realistic scenario.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 20:33:10 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

It's not "service" to the country. It is no different in terms of its
value from someone being a pharmacist or a grocery bagger or an
automobile mechanic.

Unless you're in the military, can be pulled off of doing that, handed a
rifle and told to get out there and fight, or the base is attacked, or
any of the countless other ways, the enemy kills military personal [sic]
because they are military personal [sic].

*personnel*, you fucking illiterate.
You still have not shown, and *cannot* show, that it is "service." It
isn't.
Let's say Scotland succeeds in establishing its independence, has a
socialist revolution, and expropriates Trump's Turnberry golf resort
(actually, the golf resort belonging to the Russian oligarch whose money
Trump laundered to "buy" the course). Trump orders an invasion of
Scotland to get "his" golf course back, and some American military
personnel (note the spelling, scooter) die in the course of the
conflict. Did they die while "serving the country," scooter? No,
scooter, they didn't. As is usually the case, scooter, they would have
died in service to some politician pursuing some private interests that
he lies and calls the nation's interests.
You're stupid, scooter. You know this.

You need to come up with a realistic scenario.

I did. That is absolutely something Trump would consider doing.

*No* combat the US has been involved in since 1945 has been in the nation's
interest.

Leper

2020-11-14 04:26:20 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All of
our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank you for
your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the army.
Answer? He did computer repairs.

So? My father served as an aircraft engine mechanic in the USMC
during WWII and Korea. SOMEONE had to keep those planes flying...

Precisely, Rudy doesn't get that.

He could have done a wonderful job of serving our country. Just by
joining the other side!

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 00:16:56 UTC

Trump and McCain aren't a part of this discussion.

Wrong.

Rudy's lies and usual frantic bullshit.

LOL

Scout

2020-11-14 14:28:56 UTC

Any who take the oath of either enlistment or commissioning, deserve
our respect, whether that oath is in the regular forces, or in the
reserves.

So why doesn't John McCain get nany respect from Trump?

Trump and McCain aren't a part of this discussion.

Wrong.
Something else that's part of the discussion: Trump calling dead GIs
losers and suckers.

You mean the claim that comes from an 'anonymous source' which as been
publicly refuted by people that were actually there at the time it was
claimed Trump said it?

Yea, let's see you try to hang your hat on that....

David Hartung

2020-11-14 15:03:19 UTC

Any who take the oath of either enlistment or commissioning, deserve
our respect, whether that oath is in the regular forces, or in the
reserves.

So why doesn't John McCain get nany respect from Trump?

Trump and McCain aren't a part of this discussion.

Wrong.
Something else that's part of the discussion: Trump calling dead GIs
losers and suckers.

You mean the claim that comes from an 'anonymous source' which as been
publicly refuted by people that were actually there at the time it was
claimed Trump said it?
Yea, let's see you try to hang your hat on that....

Rudy is trying to change the subject.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-14 15:17:38 UTC

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:03:19 -0600, David Hartung

Any who take the oath of either enlistment or commissioning, deserve
our respect, whether that oath is in the regular forces, or in the
reserves.

So why doesn't John McCain get nany respect from Trump?

Trump and McCain aren't a part of this discussion.

Wrong.
Something else that's part of the discussion: Trump calling dead GIs
losers and suckers.

You mean the claim that comes from an 'anonymous source' which as been
publicly refuted by people that were actually there at the time it was
claimed Trump said it?
Yea, let's see you try to hang your hat on that....

Rudy is trying to change the subject.

Hell, Rudy is trying to ESCAPE!! LOL

You can tell, any time he does this:

Followup-To:
talk.poltics.guns,alt.fan.rush-limbaurgh,alt.fucknozzles,soc.veterens,talk.poltics.misc

That means someone is kicking the shit out of him, and he knows it.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:42:11 UTC

Any who take the oath of either enlistment or commissioning, deserve
our respect, whether that oath is in the regular forces, or in the
reserves.

So why doesn't John McCain get nany respect from Trump?

Trump and McCain aren't a part of this discussion.

Wrong.
Something else that's part of the discussion: Trump calling dead GIs
losers and suckers.

You mean the claim that comes from an 'anonymous source' which as been
publicly refuted by people that were actually there at the time it was
claimed Trump said it?
Yea, let's see you try to hang your hat on that....

Rudy is trying to change the subject.

No. Trump's sneer at dead military personnel is part and parcel of the
discussion of whether or not military personnel are owed automatic respect
merely for being or having been in the military.

Every time you say someone is trying to change the subject, you are lying.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:27:05 UTC

Any who take the oath of either enlistment or commissioning, deserve
our respect, whether that oath is in the regular forces, or in the
reserves.

So why doesn't John McCain get nany respect from Trump?

Trump and McCain aren't a part of this discussion.

Wrong.
Something else that's part of the discussion: Trump calling dead GIs
losers and suckers.

You mean the claim that comes from an 'anonymous source' which as been
publicly refuted by people that were actually there at the time it was
claimed Trump said it?

Trump said it. You know this. No one who was there said that he didn't
say it, scooter — they said they didn't hear him say it.

Trump said it. You know this, scooter.

Ted

2020-11-15 09:14:18 UTC

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:28:56 -0500, "Scout"

Any who take the oath of either enlistment or commissioning, deserve
our respect, whether that oath is in the regular forces, or in the
reserves.

So why doesn't John McCain get nany respect from Trump?

Trump and McCain aren't a part of this discussion.

Wrong.
Something else that's part of the discussion: Trump calling dead GIs
losers and suckers.

You mean the claim that comes from an 'anonymous source' which as been
publicly refuted by people that were actually there at the time it was
claimed Trump said it?

Stop lying. Nobody refuted it. Nobody denied it.

Post by Scout
Yea, let's see you try to hang your hat on that....

Let's see you stop lying.

Scout

2020-11-14 14:29:32 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All
of our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank
you for your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the
army. Answer? He did computer repairs.

Any who take the oath of either enlistment or commissioning, deserve
our respect,

Who says they deserve our respect? *Why* do they deserve automatic
respect?

Because they have made a commitment to protect and defend, and to give
their live if that is necessary.

No. That *still* doesn't imply that automatic respect is owed.

Yea, it does.

Rudy Canoza

2020-11-14 17:27:55 UTC

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today. One guy,
someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All
of our mutual FB friends dutifully — and slavishly — replied "thank
you for your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the
army. Answer? He did computer repairs.

Any who take the oath of either enlistment or commissioning, deserve
our respect,

Who says they deserve our respect? *Why* do they deserve automatic
respect?

Because they have made a commitment to protect and defend, and to give
their live if that is necessary.

No. That *still* doesn't imply that automatic respect is owed.

Yea [sic], it does.

No, scooter, it doesn't. You have not made, and *cannot* make, a case that
automatic respect is owed. It isn't, scooter. You are wrong.

Ted

2020-11-15 09:11:23 UTC

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:29:32 -0500, "Scout"

I've been seeing this *bullshit* all over Facebook today.

One guy,

someone I barely knew in jr. high and high school (but a good guy,
anyway), posted a bunch of pics of him in uniform in about 1974. All
of our mutual FB friends dutifully and slavishly replied

"thank

you for your service." I asked him what he did during his time in the
army. Answer? He did computer repairs.

Any who take the oath of either enlistment or commissioning, deserve
our respect,

Who says they deserve our respect? *Why* do they deserve

automatic

respect?

Because they have made a commitment to protect and defend, and to give
their live if that is necessary.

No. That *still* doesn't imply that automatic respect is owed.

Yea, it does.

No it doesn't.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2020-11-15 12:55:02 UTC